Outspoken atheists like myself obviously spend a lot of time debunking the so-called ‘evidence’ for the existence of God, but it often seems to me that evidence is largely irrelevant to theists. Their beliefs are based on a need to believe in God for emotional reasons, and there are many. I’ve talked about some of these before (fear of death, fear of the unknown, the need for a “higher justice” etc.), but there’s one very big one that I haven’t tackled directly yet: morality. It seems that a big reason a lot of theists feel they have to believe in God is that without him, humans would have no morality.
Let’s begin with their most often cited ‘evidence’ for this idea, the great tyrants of the 20th century: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il etc. These people were supposed to have been atheists, yet they are responsible for the greatest acts of genocide in the last 100 years. Surely this must prove that - whatever problems religion might have - atheism is actually far worse? As a matter of fact, it doesn’t prove that at all - indeed, when we look at the evidence more closely, it actually leads us to the opposite conclusion. For a start (unlike the countless examples of people killed in the name of God), none of these people committed any of their atrocities in the name of atheism. They committed them in the name of Nazism, Communism etc., which tells us what is actually going on here. These were in fact new religions - the only reason these tyrants denounced other religions is so that they could become Gods themselves. It is noteworthy that communism spread far more effectively in the east than it did in the west, and I think there are two key reasons for this. One is that the oriental countries have basically always accepted the idea of their king, emperor etc. being an earthly God, so it wasn’t really anything new to accept their communist leader as one. The other reason of course is that full democracy was already well established in the west, which naturally leads the people of those countries to question their leaders, and not blindly follow them. Which leads to my next point.
If the majority of the population were naturally inclined to always question what their leaders tell them, then how would the dogma of Nazism, communism etc. have ever become established in the first place? That, in essence, is what atheism actually is: it is not accepting what we are told on the basis of faith, but rather - and only - on the basis of hard evidence. This is why we have jokes like “organising atheists is like herding cats” - it is very difficult to get atheists to believe in something, unless you make a very strong, rational case for it, with very strong supporting evidence. While it is true that many atheists support socialism, this is definitely not the same thing as the communism practised by Stalin, Mao, Kim Jog-il etc. Indeed, democratic socialism has been shown to work very well in the countries which have practised it (most notably the Scandinavian countries). Theists often like to say that atheism is a religion in itself, but in fact nothing could be further from the truth. Indeed, the word atheism probably shouldn’t really exist at all; we don’t define anybody else by their lack of belief in something, which is all atheism actually is (the word atheism literally means lack of belief in God) - it doesn’t say anything about what atheists believe in, only what they don’t believe in.
If we replace the word atheism with something like rationalism, we get a clearer idea of what most atheists actually do believe in - and we can see these tyrants do not follow this belief system at all. Indeed, it was blind faith - of the sort used and promoted by religion - which allowed these tyrants to gain the huge following they needed to do their dirty work in the first place. When our most cherished beliefs (our religions) are based on faith rather than hard evidence, it leaves us completely open to manipulation by unscrupulous political leaders. Indeed, none other than Hitler himself was perfectly happy to use the existing apparatus of religion when it suited him - he quoted the Bible extensively in support of his campaign against Jews, for example (indeed, it seems very likely that Hitler was in fact a Christian, and not really an atheist at all). Perhaps even worse, established religion was very happy to support these tyrants themselves when it suited them - the Vatican actively aided and abetted the Nazis’ genocide and victimisation of Jews, for example, and even assisted several high level members of the Nazi regime to escape prosecution for war crimes after they lost World War II.
This leads to perhaps the most damning indictment of religion as an arbiter of morality: the fact that so much of what religion says - and what its followers do - is so immoral. The religiously justified genocide I mention above is just one of countless examples of people doing the most horrible things in the name of God; in fact, there’s so many of them, I won’t even start to list them here, or this post will go on forever. Instead, I’ll just focus on a little of what the Bible has to say regarding morality, to see if it really is likely to make us more moral. Let’s start with the example of God himself - if God is the enforcer of our morality, then surely he must set the highest moral standards of all. Actually, the complete opposite is true: the God of the Old Testament is in fact the cruelest genocidal maniac we know of! The tyrants I mentioned at the start of this article all pale in comparison to God - the Bible documents him as having killed literally millions of people, often in the most painful and tortuous way possible. He advocated and enacted death and destruction on a scale unimaginable to even the most cruel of human beings. Even the ten commandments - where he is supposed to have laid out the moral standards we are supposed to follow - document extraordinary cruelty. Disobeying any of them (even something as innocent as working on a Sunday, as all priests and housewives do in any case) is punishable by death. He literally says he is a jealous God (hence violating one of the seven deadly sins), so the punishment for worshipping other Gods is particularly monstrous: not only must the perpetrator be killed, but also their family - for four generations! Given what both the Bible and Koran say about non-believers, is it any wonder we have endless war and killing in the name of God?
Then there’s all the stuff that should be in the ten commandments but isn’t. A good example of this is how there is a commandment saying we should honour our parents, but there isn’t anything saying we shouldn’t commit child abuse, or even pedophilia. Then there’s the example of Lot, who offered up his daughters for gang rape (Genesis 19:8) and later impregnated them himself (Genesis 19:30-38) - yet he was spared from God’s genocide of Sodom and Gomorrah, because God considered him “just and righteous”! (Alas, his wife was not so lucky - God turned her into a pillar of salt for looking back at God’s destruction of her lifelong home, and all the rest of her family and friends.) There also isn’t anything forbidding slavery: in fact God gives very specific instructions on how we should buy, sell and even beat our slaves - including selling our own daughters into sex slavery (Exodus 21)! Then there’s all the hopelessly antiquated references, such as “thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s ass”. The ten commandments clearly are not the word of any God, but rather those of a particular group of people at a very specific time and place. Of course, many Christians conveniently choose to ignore the Old Testament, relying only on the words of Jesus. The problem with that is that Jesus himself believed in the Old Testament and saw nothing wrong with it; in fact, he specifically says that’s how things will be when he returns to earth to bring about end the world (Luke 17:27-32).
Then there is another even deeper problem with Christians choosing to only follow the teachings of Jesus, and ignore the Old Testament: this means they are choosing their own morality, rather than following that which is laid out in the Bible. This is perfectly understandable, given God’s outrageous immorality in the Old Testament, and how much our own standards of morality have moved on since Biblical times (such as the examples of slavery and child abuse/pedophilia I mention above). Yet it shows very clearly that for these Christians - and indeed the entire human race, given how our own current moral standards are so much greater than God’s - our morality does not come from God, but from ourselves. So how the does our morality actually come about? That’s a story for another post.

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December 17, 2009 at 1:29 am
M McQuown
I have said this before, but I think it bears repeating: only Christianity and Islam have a consistent history of persecuting other religions. And even within that context, Catholics and Protestants have cheerfully slaughtered each other to the tune of their top 40 hymns, as have Shiite and Sunni. The two best quotes from those eras were 1) at the slaughter of the Albigensians at Montsegur: “Kill them all; God will know His own.” This was in response to the question of how to differentiate between the heretics and the ‘good’ Christians in the town; 2) Praisegod Barebones, Cromwell’s man in Ireland, calling the slaughter of women and children at Drogheda “A good day’s work for the Lord.”
December 17, 2009 at 9:46 am
Aspasia
*claps wildly*
Best. Post. Ever.
My favorite quote to counter the “Jesus only preached LOVE!” claim is Matthew 10:34-37:
Of course, Sachiko, the inevitable, “Well, Paul probably wrote that/wrote so much of the Bible and the REAL Jesus would never say that!” or some other Apology to deflect blame and responsibility will come soon enough from someone who happens by this post.
Ooh, great timing. I’m watching telly and there is this commercial for CatholicsComeHome.org and they say, “Guided by the Holy Spirit, we compiled the Bible”…wow. This is amazing, calling for all Catholics to come home. I wonder if that will include LGBTQ Catholics, of which there are MANY? Or Catholics who are sex workers? Or Catholics who are pro-choice? Catholics who don’t believe the Pope is all-knowing, second only to god? Hmm…. I think that commercial just took a tithe of my patience.
December 17, 2009 at 10:00 am
Jacques
You choose to be an atheist. Fine. I respect your choice.
So why do you care about what God did, related to the Old Testament?
Why do you care about this somebody has done if you don’t believe he exists?
Why do want to demonstrate something about this person if you think he does not exist?
You are your own contradiction.
Or maybe you are crying for some help. Inside you there is this sparkle of faith that all your talks and talks have not extinguished. You want to believe but you don’t understand (yet) what is written in the Bible? Fair enough, go and talk to a priest, you are courageous enough… unless you are afraid to be converted? No I don’t think so, you are too strong for that, afraid of nothing…
Now to the intelligent person you seem to be, answer these 4 questions:
- who are you?
- where do you come from?
- where do you go?
- what are you doing here?
See you.
Jacques
December 17, 2009 at 11:10 am
Sachiko
@Aspasia - Thanks Aspasia! And that is a great quote - I’ll remember that one.
@Jacques - Wow - my post must really have hit the spot if that’s the best you can do!
I used to take a live and let live approach to religion, but the problem is, you won’t leave us alone. And even worse, your vote has put people like George Bush into office, which endangers the entire world. And that’s just one of countless examples of how religion endangers the human race. I can’t in good conscience sit back and just allow religion to run amok and quite possibly destroy the world.
Anyway, the only truly honest answer to your questions is “I don’t know for sure”. And that is what you are afraid of: the unknown. I am not afraid to accept the fact that mankind does not yet know the answers to the ultimate questions, and possibly never will. You however are so afraid of the unknown that you have to cling to a book riddled with inaccuracies and contradictions written 2 millennia ago.
December 18, 2009 at 4:43 pm
alcove6409
I really appreciate Sachiko’s opening essay! Lots of things to take home, and well worth a patient re-read. Like it or not, “religion” can have fantastic power over human affairs, as though it truly were an existential manifestation of some intelligent force of the universe, however adverse its impact upon certain peoples might be. Yet all kinds of crazy practices have been bent into service by mere human will to create and develop “religion”. (We need not recapitulate, once again, the long list of religious and quasi-religious abuses.)
“Morality” seems to be a more abstract thing than “religion”; it is somehow less dependent upon human creativity (or the lack thereof) to make its somber presence known. The “morality” concept is something that lies in wait in long-term human perceptions, or in deeper levels of the cumulative collective experiences of nations. Its perceived violation can provoke a collective quest for justice or correction for adverse practices (including, but not limited to religious ones). But (somewhat like “religion” itself) the quality of human inputs into the original provocative consciousness of “morality” for a given situtation influences how just, sincere, and effective a crusade for correction can truly become.
This seems rather convoluted, Sachiko, but I’m groping for a little better feeling for the material, you see.
December 19, 2009 at 1:04 am
ingbas
Bush is the same as Obama and every other American president for the last 40 or so years. You are being fooled by the left-right paradigm. Obama said he will pull the troops out straight away, and then he sends 30,000 more. Now America may go into Iran and even Pakistan.
-Jesse Ventura-
View this video for more information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw .
December 19, 2009 at 1:55 am
Sachiko
I have to say that I’m really starting to get tired of all this “Obama is just as bad as Bush” rubbish. Obama never made any promises about pulling troops out of Afghanistan - only out of Iraq, which he has followed through on. And he has now set a timetable for pulling troops out of Afghanistan as well.
Ask yourself if we would even have had the Iraq war in the first place if not for Bush. Of course not!
December 19, 2009 at 7:27 am
Aspasia
I’m kinda confused at the appearance of the random Obama comment.
@alcove6409: Morality is indeed abstract, though I think subjective hits the mark much better. And you’re right about religion. It is an agreement on practices and rituals dedicated to one or more perceived divine powers with the aim of “properly” revering and capitulating them.
December 24, 2009 at 6:22 am
sak
I love the comments, and everyone has an opinion of their own. The world is an intricate balance to not believe that someone constructed it. Our DNA alone is far beyond explanation with more mysteries being revealed every day. The Bible, the current collected books, were put together by men, inspired by God. The equal-distance codes hidden in the first four books of the Old Testament alone reveals there is a God that made us in His image, not to mention countless number of prophecies that came true. The odds are too great for these “chances” to be on their own. It’s like finding a single, painted silver dollar coin among other silver dollar coins in the size of Texas blind-folded. By the way, I do happen to admire His handiwork on you.
December 24, 2009 at 10:10 am
Sachiko
@sak - Your comments reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the laws of probability that pretty much all theists seem to have. Basically, even the highly improbable will inevitably happen at some time somewhere eventually. By your logic, you can never win the lottery, because the odds against it are astronomical. But even with those odds, out of millions of people, somebody will win. You say “Our DNA alone is far beyond explanation”, but that is not true: it is only beyond your explanation, but many scientists who are far smarter than you (and me to be honest) can explain it perfectly well. Theists almost always confuse the limits of their (ignorant) comprehension with the limits of reality.
As for your statement about the “countless number of prophecies that came true”, the only proof of that is the Bible itself! It’s the same as if you or I wrote a book that made some prophecies at the beginning, only to say that they came true by the end! That obviously doesn’t prove anything at all. The only prophecies we can judge the Bible on are the ones it says will happen in the future, and on that it is an epic failure. The prophecies of Revelation were supposed to have happened during the lifetime of the so-called ‘prophets’ who wrote the Bible, yet nearly 2 millennia later, they still haven’t - thank God!
December 24, 2009 at 10:14 am
Sachiko
Oh BTW, I should stress that while the highly improbable will eventually happen given enough time, the impossible will never happen. And a great deal of what is in the Bible is demonstrably impossible.
February 13, 2010 at 11:23 pm
James
I think my approach to religion has been largely been derailed by the concept that I am subject to eternal damnation if I am not a member of a particular religion…