Yet Another Israeli Outrage

I am constantly astounded by Israel’s ability to commit outrageous acts of military violence against civilians, then cast themselves as the victims. The above video is a great example: it singles out attacks on Israeli soldiers, but for goodness sake—the Israeli military is conducting a raid on an unarmed vessel in international waters! The people on board are doing whatever they can to defend themselves—they have no guns, so they’re using what they have. In response, the Israeli military opens fire on them! The result is up to 19 people dead—and not a single one of them was Israeli.

So what terrible crime were the people on this boat engaging in to receive such treatment? They were trying to bring aid to Palestinians in Gaza. And why did they need to do that? Because Gaza has been blockaded from receiving aid from the outside world by Israel! So this is, in effect, one outrageous crime against humanity, that has come about as a result of another outrageous crime against humanity—both committed by Israel. Yet Israel still tries to claim that they are the victims!

As always, Israel’s actions have received the usual piss-weak response from western governments, especially (also as always) the US. While I have defended Obama’s performance in many areas, on Israel I’m afraid I have to give him the same score as every President who has gone before him: a great big fat zero. How many more atrocities will Israel have to commit before the west (particularly the US, who have always stuck by Israel through thick and thin) takes decisive action to stop them?

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Israel is acting like a the old German Nazi Regime. This is the exactly what they did in 1967 when they attack the USS Liberty. It’s time that the American people demand that our leaders stop sending add to Israel.

  
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Oy vey! Israel receives nearly $1 billion in aid annually from the U.S.. For what? Destabilizing the Middle East by treating the Palestinians the way the Nazis treated Jews in the Warsaw ghettos during WW2. It was a major blunder in 1948 to allow the persecuted European Jews to take over Palestinian land on which they lived for thousands of centuries. The Jews should have come to the U.S. and settle in South Dakota or Wyoming perhaps. So now Israel has nuclear weapons, do you feel safer that a baby has a loaded gun? I’m so sorry for the persecution of Jews but to wrong another people doesn’t make up for past transgressions. Stop building settlements, recognize a Palestinian State, give up nuclear weapons and no more U$ foreign aid money. You want to be treated like a respected power, try respecting the rights of others first.

  
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I have more faith in the Israeli government controlling their military power, than the Palestine government owning any military power.

You probably forgot the suicide missions that Hamas organizes. Even little kids are soldiers in the eyes of Hamas.

It is highly doubtful that there was food/construction materials on that boat.

I rather be living in Israel than in Palestine territory. They even kill their own kind.

  
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Israel seems to think that international law is for other countries and not for them. Criticise them and you are accused of being anti-semitic.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Star of David became the new swastika!

Who do these people think they are? They send MOSAD agents out with forged British passports to murder people. They invade other countries, ride roughshod over UN mandates and personnel (killing UN personnel and innocent civilians in their search for terrorists)… America should pull the plug and stop propping up this despotic regime. I mean, they are an aggressor nation with a nuclear capability…

  
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I am constantly astounded by Israel’s ability to commit outrageous acts of military violence against civilians, then cast themselves as the victims.

Ah, but here’s the secret to their success: dehumanize the opponent. The “other side” ceases to be civilians (have to be human for that) and so anything done to them is acceptable.

  
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Originally Posted By Moot
I rather be living in Israel than in Palestine territory.

Yeah, I’d much rather be living in Israel than Palestinian territory too – so I don’t die of starvation from lack of international aid, if I’m not killed by the Israeli military first! The Palestinians are up against a massively militarily superior enemy – suicide bombings are about the only way they can strike back against the foreign power stealing their land, bulldozing their houses, and killing them.

But according to people like you, they aren’t the victims; the Israelis are. That’s just totally twisted.

  
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Folks, this all goes back to follow the $, just like Deep Throat said with Watergate to W. Post reporters, Woodward & Bernstein. Who supports and props up Israel and for what purpose? The American Congress has consistently given more and more money to Israel over the last six decades to what end. At first a buffer “to stop Communism” in the Middle East as Egypt’s Nasser embraced the Soviet Union. Then to do America’s bidding against Muslim country’s as they became mature and caste off European colonialism using oil money to exert power. Few Americans remember 1973 Oil Crisis as O.P.E.C. held the world hostage for gasoline and energy. They realized they had a product and needed to continue selling the drugs. All the original members of al-Queda were jailed by Egyptian Pres. Sadat, then released, they killed him at the airport for his good deed. Over in Saudi Arabia where I had gall to live and work, attempting to understand these misfits. You had the Black Sheep, Osama bin Laden, born into ultra wealth family of construction, born from oil $ suddenly is on the out from his family because as a spoiled child he rebelled against his so harsh Daddy. Boo hoo. So like a little boy he pouts, takes his Daddy’s oil $ and creates al-queda with the losers from Egypt to strike back at whom? The bad people who made his family rich beyond their previous camel tents or to brainwash millions of poor, uneducated Men with no jobs. Osama’s madness is legendary- attempt to unite a Muslim world of unemployed losers to attack everyone in the world? Why has no major leader of the Muslim world taken a stand against these losers? After living in the so-called Kingdom of Saud born out of blood in 1931 when the family murdered all opposition, I discovered two major inconsistencies in their human behavior.

First off, the word is INCEST. My wife and I were shown several huge, hotel like hospitals that housed thousands of birth defected kids that were abandoned by Saudi parents: first, second cousins, uncle/niece rapes, father… It’s so disgusting and shameful. They have no out on this one. I produced a video promo in Arabic for a private hospital to gain funds for those kids. It was only good thing I did there.

Secondly, the Saudi’s refused to recognize Israel as a real country that really exists just north of them which is kind of a non starter in continuing any kind of conversation. When the al-queda terrorists attacked and killed 23 of my fellow workers the Saudi workers were either trying to pay off the terrorists or plead the whole incident was in Allah’s hand. Excuse me? I learned quickly that people in the Middle East, Jews included use psycho-religious babble to justify death and violence to take no personal responsibility for their actions.

Circle the wagons now and I must say why the Israels consistently inflame their situation. They have been given a golden chance to enrich the Middle East, welcome all peoples, certainly have been supplied funds from U.S. and Europe plus developed technology, education, science and culture through their perseverance. But wait. As a future world leader you have to give back to your neighbors. Yes, 20 foot walls don’t make good neighbors. Your paranoia is justified when you attack neighbor countries, send agents abroad to murder people, land onto humanitarian ships at sea killing nearly a dozen- the list goes on since 1948. Yet those 20 foot walls have really closed you into another Warsaw ghetto and have kept in you in instead of being a world leader.

I’m hopeful Israel will wake up and settle for what they have in the Middle East to live another day. Peace to you sisters and brothers.

-DR

  
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Please note, the vessels in this convoy all knew in advance they would be stopped. The entire purpose was to provoke this very confrontation. It is only disappointing Israel fell for it and handled it so badly.

Israel has a perfect right to stop ships headed toward their waters, particularly when there is a history of smuggling.

Also, note, the United States stops boats in international waters all the time, to capture drug smugglers. Nations have the right to do this.

Someone in the comments said they hope Israel will wake up and settle for what they have. Good grief! They have already agreed to this. The Palestinians are the ones who will not settle for anything. They only want the complete and utter destruction of Israel.

  
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Though I am also outraged at the loss of life, it’s quite clear that this group of people set out specifically to provoke a violent response from Israel to gain international support for stopping the Gaza blockade. Personally I can’t get as outraged as I might because of this fact. I refuse to be manipulated in this way. That being said, Israel needs to find a path to lasting peace. The present situation is intolerable.

  
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Originally Posted By Roger Snowden
Someone in the comments said they hope Israel will wake up and settle for what they have. Good grief! They have already agreed to this. The Palestinians are the ones who will not settle for anything. They only want the complete and utter destruction of Israel.

What an outrageous statement! Who is invading the other’s land and taking it for their own settlers? Who came and took whose land in 1948? Most Palestinians would have settled for Israel retreating to its legally defined borders, but given Israel’s repeated incursions into Palestinian land (and the fact that it was all Palestinian land in 1948), is it not reasonable if they want Israel out completely?

  
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Yeah… let’s condemn Israel and let the Syrian-Iranian link redraw the map… it would be very funny… and who are the Turks to speak out loud when they treat Kurds like garbage. Turkish prisons are full of Kurds… And you must not forget the Cyprus question. It’s a island divided against people will

  
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Oh I think I can hear the Northern Ireland thing rattling about in the background… this was meant to be about Israel’s assault on a foreign cargo ship in international waters. No sudanese pirates, no drugs or bombs… cargo… aid.

Whatever the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians, attacking a civilian vessel in international waters is piracy. (Notice I said civilian, thus fending off the inevitable General Belgrano rant from certain quarters)

And… “…let’s condemn Israel and let the Syrian-Iranian link redraw the map…” who mentioned anything about that?
This isn’t about Syria or Iran… it’s about the Israelis riding roughshod over international law… again and again.
Funny how the pro-Israelis keep trying to avoid discussing the matter, isn’t it?

  
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I find myself in agreement with Roger and for maybe once, in disagreement with Sachiko. I try to be objective in my views and while I may not always agree with Israeli policies, this was obviously a provocation by those on the ship to get Israeli military personnel to take action. The Israelis did exactly what everyone knew they would do. This would be analogous to someone entering the cage of a known wild animal and when they get killed or injured, everyone blaming the wild animal.

I also believe that it should be noted that Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea. The law goes on to say that a blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so long as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral states. Finally, the naval manuals of several western countries, including the US and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid, including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.

Again, just trying to be objective and fair in my view.

  
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Originally Posted By Don
also believe that it should be noted that Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.

But there is no armed conflict at sea here! And even if this incident was deliberately calculated to draw attention to the blockade of Gaza, then so be it: Israel’s blockade of Gaza is illegal and terrible.

  
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I agree with Sachiko 100% on this. No more illegal Israeli land incursions and illegal sea battles on International waters. U.S.A. should not have funded militarily those Jews.

  
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Sachiko, I really wish I could take you to Palestine next time I go there, and not just for the obvious reason. It is quite a beautiful place and there is no shortage of food at all. The Israeli blockade does not prevent food entering, it is to stop weapons. The restaurants and markets of Gaza are well stocked, and the Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else in the world. The problem is that the Palestinians are governed by kleptocratic terrorists who are used by the Arab world as a political tool. Arafat was offered everything he wanted at Oslo, but he was ordered to turn it down by the Saudis.

The main tragedy here is that Turkey is lurching towards extremism. They are turning away from European enlightenment and heading towards Islamism. If the military tries to save Ataturk’s vision it may end in civil war.

It is disappointing to see people here that view themselves as progressive spew such hatred towards the Jews, who have shown admirable restraint in the face of endless provocation and attacks.

  
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Originally Posted By Steve Tulley
Sachiko, I really wish I could take you to Palestine next time I go there, and not just for the obvious reason. It is quite a beautiful place and there is no shortage of food at all. The Israeli blockade does not prevent food entering, it is to stop weapons. The restaurants and markets of Gaza are well stocked, and the Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else in the world. the Jews, who have shown admirable restraint in the face of endless provocation and attacks.

If that’s the case, then why does Israel simply blockade all ships into Gaza? Why not have orderly checking of all ships to make sure they aren’t carrying weapons? Also, the US supplies far more aid to Israel itself than the Palestinian territories, which to me seems totally absurd and unjustifiable.

  
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A blockade is the orderly inspection of all ships. With the Turkish ship the Israelis offered to allow all of the aid in after it was inspected but the crew refused in order to provoke a conflict. This is not about the Israel/ Palestine conflict, it is about the Islamists trying to make Turkey lurch towards fundamentalism, a cause which they advanced with this violent stunt.

The Palestinians receive more aid percapita than anyone else in the world, and all they do with it is continue to attack Israel and forment nrest in Lebanon. Imagine the good all of that money could have done in Rwanda, Haiti or East Timor.

  
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