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		<title>By: Steve Tulley</title>
		<link>http://www.sachikospace.com/english/2010/06/yet-another-israeli-outrage/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Tulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 05:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blockade is the orderly inspection of all ships. With the Turkish ship the Israelis offered to allow all of the aid in after it was inspected but the crew refused in order to provoke a conflict. This is not about the Israel/ Palestine conflict, it is about the Islamists trying to make Turkey lurch towards fundamentalism, a cause which they advanced with this violent stunt.

The Palestinians receive more aid percapita than anyone else in the world, and all they do with it is continue to attack Israel and forment nrest in Lebanon. Imagine the good all of that money could have done in Rwanda, Haiti or East Timor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blockade is the orderly inspection of all ships. With the Turkish ship the Israelis offered to allow all of the aid in after it was inspected but the crew refused in order to provoke a conflict. This is not about the Israel/ Palestine conflict, it is about the Islamists trying to make Turkey lurch towards fundamentalism, a cause which they advanced with this violent stunt.</p>
<p>The Palestinians receive more aid percapita than anyone else in the world, and all they do with it is continue to attack Israel and forment nrest in Lebanon. Imagine the good all of that money could have done in Rwanda, Haiti or East Timor.</p>
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		<title>By: Sachiko</title>
		<link>http://www.sachikospace.com/english/2010/06/yet-another-israeli-outrage/#comment-1996</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-1991&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Originally Posted By Steve Tulley&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sachiko, I really wish I could take you to Palestine next time I go there, and not just for the obvious reason. It is quite a beautiful place and there is no shortage of food at all. The Israeli blockade does not prevent food entering, it is to stop weapons. The restaurants and markets of Gaza are well stocked, and the Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else in the world. the Jews, who have shown admirable restraint in the face of endless provocation and attacks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If that&#039;s the case, then why does Israel simply blockade all ships into Gaza? Why not have orderly checking of all ships to make sure they aren&#039;t carrying weapons? Also, the US supplies far more aid to Israel itself than the Palestinian territories, which to me seems totally absurd and unjustifiable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1991" rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Steve Tulley</a><br />Sachiko, I really wish I could take you to Palestine next time I go there, and not just for the obvious reason. It is quite a beautiful place and there is no shortage of food at all. The Israeli blockade does not prevent food entering, it is to stop weapons. The restaurants and markets of Gaza are well stocked, and the Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else in the world. the Jews, who have shown admirable restraint in the face of endless provocation and attacks.</p></blockquote>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, then why does Israel simply blockade all ships into Gaza? Why not have orderly checking of all ships to make sure they aren&#8217;t carrying weapons? Also, the US supplies far more aid to Israel itself than the Palestinian territories, which to me seems totally absurd and unjustifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Tulley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Tulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sachiko, I really wish I could take you to Palestine next time I go there, and not just for the obvious reason. It is quite a beautiful place and there is no shortage of food at all. The Israeli blockade does not prevent food entering, it is to stop weapons. The restaurants and markets of Gaza are well stocked, and the Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else in the world. The problem is that the Palestinians are governed by kleptocratic terrorists who are used by the Arab world as a political tool. Arafat was offered everything he wanted at Oslo, but he was ordered to turn it down by the Saudis.

The main tragedy here is that Turkey is lurching towards extremism. They are turning away from European enlightenment and heading towards Islamism. If the military tries to save Ataturk&#039;s vision it may end in civil war.

It is disappointing to see people here that view themselves as progressive spew such hatred towards the Jews, who have shown admirable restraint in the face of endless provocation and attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sachiko, I really wish I could take you to Palestine next time I go there, and not just for the obvious reason. It is quite a beautiful place and there is no shortage of food at all. The Israeli blockade does not prevent food entering, it is to stop weapons. The restaurants and markets of Gaza are well stocked, and the Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else in the world. The problem is that the Palestinians are governed by kleptocratic terrorists who are used by the Arab world as a political tool. Arafat was offered everything he wanted at Oslo, but he was ordered to turn it down by the Saudis.</p>
<p>The main tragedy here is that Turkey is lurching towards extremism. They are turning away from European enlightenment and heading towards Islamism. If the military tries to save Ataturk&#8217;s vision it may end in civil war.</p>
<p>It is disappointing to see people here that view themselves as progressive spew such hatred towards the Jews, who have shown admirable restraint in the face of endless provocation and attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sachiko 100% on this.  No more illegal Israeli land incursions and illegal sea battles on International waters. U.S.A. should not have funded militarily those Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sachiko 100% on this.  No more illegal Israeli land incursions and illegal sea battles on International waters. U.S.A. should not have funded militarily those Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Sachiko</title>
		<link>http://www.sachikospace.com/english/2010/06/yet-another-israeli-outrage/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-1947&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Originally Posted By Don&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt; also believe that it should be noted that Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But there is no armed conflict at sea here! And even if this incident &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; deliberately calculated to draw attention to the blockade of Gaza, then so be it: Israel&#039;s blockade of Gaza is illegal and terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1947" rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Don</a><br /> also believe that it should be noted that Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.</p></blockquote>
<p>But there is no armed conflict at sea here! And even if this incident <em>was</em> deliberately calculated to draw attention to the blockade of Gaza, then so be it: Israel&#8217;s blockade of Gaza is illegal and terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself in agreement with Roger and for maybe once, in disagreement with Sachiko.  I try to be objective in my views and while I may not always agree with Israeli policies, this was obviously a provocation by those on the ship to get Israeli military personnel to take action.  The Israelis did exactly what everyone knew they would do.  This would be analogous to someone entering the cage of a known wild animal and when they get killed or injured, everyone blaming the wild animal.   

I also believe that it should be noted that Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.  The law goes on to say that a blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so long as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral states.  Finally, the naval manuals of several western countries, including the US  and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval  measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid,  including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.

Again, just trying to be objective and fair in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself in agreement with Roger and for maybe once, in disagreement with Sachiko.  I try to be objective in my views and while I may not always agree with Israeli policies, this was obviously a provocation by those on the ship to get Israeli military personnel to take action.  The Israelis did exactly what everyone knew they would do.  This would be analogous to someone entering the cage of a known wild animal and when they get killed or injured, everyone blaming the wild animal.   </p>
<p>I also believe that it should be noted that Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.  The law goes on to say that a blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so long as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral states.  Finally, the naval manuals of several western countries, including the US  and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval  measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid,  including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.</p>
<p>Again, just trying to be objective and fair in my view.</p>
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		<title>By: iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I think I can hear the Northern Ireland thing rattling about in the background... this was meant to be about &lt;strong&gt;Israel&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; assault on a foreign cargo ship in international waters.  No sudanese pirates, no drugs or bombs... cargo... aid.

Whatever the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians, attacking a civilian vessel in international waters is piracy.  (Notice I said &lt;strong&gt;civilian&lt;/strong&gt;, thus fending off the inevitable General Belgrano rant from certain quarters)

And... &lt;strong&gt;&quot;...let’s condemn Israel and let the Syrian-Iranian link redraw the map...&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; who mentioned anything about that?
This isn&#039;t about Syria or Iran... it&#039;s about the Israelis riding roughshod over international law... again and again.
Funny how the pro-Israelis keep trying to avoid discussing the matter, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I think I can hear the Northern Ireland thing rattling about in the background&#8230; this was meant to be about <strong>Israel&#8217;s</strong> assault on a foreign cargo ship in international waters.  No sudanese pirates, no drugs or bombs&#8230; cargo&#8230; aid.</p>
<p>Whatever the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians, attacking a civilian vessel in international waters is piracy.  (Notice I said <strong>civilian</strong>, thus fending off the inevitable General Belgrano rant from certain quarters)</p>
<p>And&#8230; <strong>&#8220;&#8230;let’s condemn Israel and let the Syrian-Iranian link redraw the map&#8230;&#8221;</strong> who mentioned anything about that?<br />
This isn&#8217;t about Syria or Iran&#8230; it&#8217;s about the Israelis riding roughshod over international law&#8230; again and again.<br />
Funny how the pro-Israelis keep trying to avoid discussing the matter, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Super_Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Super_Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... let&#039;s condemn Israel and let the Syrian-Iranian link redraw the map... it would be very funny... and who are the Turks to speak out loud when they treat Kurds like garbage. &lt;strong&gt;Turkish prisons are full of Kurds&lt;/strong&gt;... And you must not forget the &lt;strong&gt;Cyprus question&lt;/strong&gt;. It&#039;s a island &lt;strong&gt;divided against people will&lt;/strong&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; let&#8217;s condemn Israel and let the Syrian-Iranian link redraw the map&#8230; it would be very funny&#8230; and who are the Turks to speak out loud when they treat Kurds like garbage. <strong>Turkish prisons are full of Kurds</strong>&#8230; And you must not forget the <strong>Cyprus question</strong>. It&#8217;s a island <strong>divided against people will</strong>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sachiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sachiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-1939&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Originally Posted By Roger Snowden&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Someone in the comments said they hope Israel will wake up and settle for what they have. Good grief! They have already agreed to this. The Palestinians are the ones who will not settle for anything. They only want the complete and utter destruction of Israel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What an outrageous statement! Who is invading the other&#039;s land and taking it for their own settlers? Who came and took whose land in 1948? Most Palestinians would have settled for Israel retreating to its legally defined borders, but given Israel&#039;s repeated incursions into Palestinian land (and the fact that it was all Palestinian land in 1948), is it not reasonable if they want Israel out completely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1939" rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Roger Snowden</a><br />Someone in the comments said they hope Israel will wake up and settle for what they have. Good grief! They have already agreed to this. The Palestinians are the ones who will not settle for anything. They only want the complete and utter destruction of Israel.</p></blockquote>
<p>What an outrageous statement! Who is invading the other&#8217;s land and taking it for their own settlers? Who came and took whose land in 1948? Most Palestinians would have settled for Israel retreating to its legally defined borders, but given Israel&#8217;s repeated incursions into Palestinian land (and the fact that it was all Palestinian land in 1948), is it not reasonable if they want Israel out completely?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I am also outraged at the loss of life, it&#039;s quite clear that this group of people set out specifically to provoke a violent response from Israel to gain international support for stopping the Gaza blockade. Personally I can&#039;t get as outraged as I might because of this fact. I refuse to be manipulated in this way. That being said, Israel needs to find a path to lasting peace. The present situation is intolerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I am also outraged at the loss of life, it&#8217;s quite clear that this group of people set out specifically to provoke a violent response from Israel to gain international support for stopping the Gaza blockade. Personally I can&#8217;t get as outraged as I might because of this fact. I refuse to be manipulated in this way. That being said, Israel needs to find a path to lasting peace. The present situation is intolerable.</p>
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